Honda Plans to Make the Civic Type R Wilder… and Milder

Steph Willems
by Steph Willems

You’re not likely to find another car sporting over 300 horsepower and a price below $35,000 with the same kind of visual impact as the Honda Civic Type R. Call it over the top, call it arresting, or call it exactly what you’ve been waiting for.

Honda designers and engineers know what buyers they want to reach — as many as possible. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have decided to spice up its every-popular Civic with warm ( Si) and hot (Type R) variants. With both models, deciding on power and price meant walking a fine line. Honda wants the Civic to be a big tent model. Nothing too exclusive, thank you very much.

Regular Civics for the masses, a 205 hp offering for the lively commute type, and a 306 hp hatch festooned with go-fast add-ons for the wannabe (or legitimate) racers. Seems like a pretty good range, right? Nope, there’s still white space in need of filling, says the Civic’s head engineer.

Speaking to Automotive News at the recent Type R first drive event, Hideki Matsumoto revealed that the existing Type R, which only just went on sale in the U.S., is a starting point, rather than the model’s end point.

“We’re hoping that by gradually putting out more [variants] that we’ll be able to maintain a more stable sales volume,” said Matsumoto. Yes, the Civic is poised to become even more prolific.

Right now, roughly $10,000 of MSRP separates the Civic Si from its beastly brother — plenty of room in which to slot another model. Rob Keough, the model’s senior product planner, recently suggested that the Si, which was kept fairly tame to preserve the longevity of its 1.5-liter engine, could spawn a slightly warmer variant. Now, Matsumoto is suggesting a similar plan for the Type R.

The engineer claims a more powerful Type R is on the way, which could bow with all-wheel drive — a Ford-and Subaru-fighting feature the Civic currently lacks. In addition, the automaker wants to build a version that’s a little less aggressive, something “focused more on the grand touring aspect,” he said.

It’s more likely Honda would choose to let some steam out of its turbocharged 2.0-liter to fill the Si-Type R gap, rather than try and coax more output from its 1.5-liter mill. Even one variant with long-term dependability issues could give the brand a stigma.

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  • Tnk479 Tnk479 on Jun 20, 2017

    The 2018 Golf R should arrive this Fall and that's the sport compact to buy if you have the means. I would guess the Civic Type R is fun to drive on back roads but the acceleration numbers aren't very impressive. I'd be far more willing to put up with it's brash 90's tuner scene looks if it had SH-AWD and thus offered some legitimate performance.

  • Nedmundo Nedmundo on Jun 20, 2017

    This is great news, both the "wilder" AWD version and the possibility of a "milder" version to slot between the Si and current Type-R. I could definitely go "wilder" than the new Civic Si, which I tested last week, but the Type-R is too extroverted and probably too extreme for the rough roads here in downtown Philly. (I'll test it though, and I could probably live with its aesthetics in the metallic gray.) So the "milder" Type-R seems appealing, but I wonder whether it will actually be the next Acura ILX, in which case it probably won't be available with MT. Boo.

  • Theflyersfan With sedans, especially, I wonder how many of those sales are to rental fleets. With the exception of the Civic and Accord, there are still rows of sedans mixed in with the RAV4s at every airport rental lot. I doubt the breakdown in sales is publicly published, so who knows... GM isn't out of the sedan business - Cadillac exists and I can't believe I'm typing this but they are actually decent - and I think they are making a huge mistake, especially if there's an extended oil price hike (cough...Iran...cough) and people want smaller and hybrids. But if one is only tied to the quarterly shareholder reports and not trends and the big picture, bad decisions like this get made.
  • Wjtinfwb Not proud of what Stellantis is rolling out?
  • Wjtinfwb Absolutely. But not incredibly high-tech, AWD, mega performance sedans with amazing styling and outrageous price tags. GM needs a new Impala and LeSabre. 6 passenger, comfortable, conservative, dead nuts reliable and inexpensive enough for a family guy making 70k a year or less to be able to afford. Ford should bring back the Fusion, modernized, maybe a bit bigger and give us that Hybrid option again. An updated Taurus, harkening back to the Gen 1 and updated version that easily hold 6, offer a huge trunk, elevated handling and ride and modest power that offers great fuel economy. Like the GM have a version that a working mom can afford. The last decade car makers have focused on building cars that American's want, but eliminated what they need. When a Ford Escape of Chevy Blazer can be optioned up to 50k, you've lost the plot.
  • Willie If both nations were actually free market economies I would be totally opposed. The US is closer to being one, but China does a lot to prop up the sectors they want to dominate allowing them to sell WAY below cost, functionally dumping their goods in our market to destroy competition. I have seen this in my area recently with shrimp farmed by Chinese comglomerates being sold super cheap to push local producers (who have to live at US prices and obey US laws) out of business.China also has VERY lax safety and environmental laws which reduce costs greatly. It isn't an equal playing field, they don't play fair.
  • Willie ~300,000 Camrys and ~200,000 Accords say there is still a market. My wife has a Camry and we have no desire for a payment on something that has worse fuel economy.
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