Not Everyone in Arizona Is a Fan of Waymo's Self-Driving Vans

Matt Posky
by Matt Posky

Waymo, the autonomous program backed by Google-parent Alphabet, seems to have upset some residents of Phoenix, Arizona, who have elected to whip eggs at the company’s test vehicles. Selected due to its lax regulatory standards, the state has become home base for Waymo to pioneer its self-driving vans since 2016. However, newly released police reports paint a picture where the locals are far less enthused with the vehicles’ progress than Waymo’s marketing materials would suggest.

A subset of Phoenix citizens has been demanding the firm improve transparency and offer better explanations for some of the higher-profile crashes since 2018. Despite Waymo assuring the public that mishaps are rare, local reports showed some erratic behavior among the test mules operating in 2020. While a few of these incidents made the news, local police reports from Chandler and Tempe (metropolitan Phoenix) indicate there was a slew of incidents we did not know about — many of which involved encounters with frustrated, human motorists.

While Waymo’s test vehicles have seemingly made good progress, their propensity to stop whenever they get confused (an intentional safety feature) has been frustrating the locals. According to the Phoenix New Times, which gained access to the documents thanks to Arizona’s public records law, 2020 might not have gone as smoothly as Waymo has been projecting.

From Phoenix New Times:

Earlier this month, the company bragged about how well its vehicles would perform if they replaced human drivers, and how many lives they could have saved in Chandler. Yet the company hasn’t been totally transparent with metro Phoenix residents, refusing to turn over data showing how many times the vehicles’ autonomous function has failed while driving around Chandler, Tempe, and other Valley areas. The latest police reports help to explain why the company has struggled in its deployment of a fully driverless fleet. Although its vehicles can operate in driverless mode, nearly all still have backup drivers behind the wheel when they’re on the road.

Abrupt stops have been noted in the vehicles for years, but rear-end collisions are usually seen as the fault of a driver who didn’t stop in time. The October 8 incident is harder to figure out. At about 11:30 a.m. that day, a white Waymo minivan was traveling westbound in the middle of three westbound lanes on Chandler Boulevard, in autonomous mode, when it unexpectedly braked for no reason.

That car was ultimately struck by a Chevrolet Silverado. While that pickup driver got away without receiving a citation, the Chandler Police Department cited one of their own officers in January 2020 for rear-ending a Waymo van that optioned to stop in the middle of an intersection. But we’re just getting warmed up. Some citizens, exasperated with the Google-owned company’s continued operations in their town, have stopped venting their frustrations exclusively online and started exercising their anger in the physical world. You might recall incidents from several years ago where a vigilante Jeep driver intentionally went out of their way to bully the vans off the road or people started vandalizing unattended Waymo vehicles.

Well, those sorts of incidents haven’t let up and 2020 introduced some new ones. Numerous individuals have been egging the vans, with one man following them around all day in his car so he could hit multiple targets. Ice cream cones have also been whipped at the test mules and there are reports of them having close calls with pedestrians and motorcyclists that become enraged and attack. Waymo safety drivers have also been spotted unconscious inside the vehicles under suspected narcotics use. But the biggest issue continues to be vans making erratic stops whenever the system runs into trouble — something the company has been coping with since it began operations in Arizona.

Waymo apparently won’t release its disengagement data for the state but maintains that the brake-first safety policy is likely the best and we’re inclined to agree. Rear-end collisions are infinitely preferable to head-on accidents and the car stopping itself is bound to get it into less trouble than attempting to take evasive maneuvers it’s not prepared for. The company also released 2020 for California, which showed 21 disengagements over 629,000 miles of autonomous driving in that state. That’s less than 4 per every 100,000 miles, which isn’t that bad if all the minivans did was need the driver to momentarily take the wheel without incident.

But it doesn’t really show how well the vehicles performed when left to their own devices and might not have much to do with the growing ire of those living in the Phoenix area. Based on some of the complains online, many people seem to feel these cars are in the way or have grown uncomfortable of the ideas of robotic vehicles owned by the same company that runs Google being trained on public roads.

The entire issue harkens back to 2017 when Ford and Virginia Tech disguised a man as a car seat to see how people would respond to driverless vehicles. Seemingly ridiculous at the time, whatever information was gathered from those tests might have been invaluable. Even before that, there were loads of people talking about the opportunities hyper-aggressive drivers would have to bully AVs into submission and ruminations on the likelihood of there being more incentive to do so since the act is being committed against a computer. It certainly makes you wonder about the future of autonomous vehicles, especially if their development ever reaches a point where they start being introduced for commercial fleets and luxury automotive brands.

[Images: Waymo]

Matt Posky
Matt Posky

A staunch consumer advocate tracking industry trends and regulation. Before joining TTAC, Matt spent a decade working for marketing and research firms based in NYC. Clients included several of the world’s largest automakers, global tire brands, and aftermarket part suppliers. Dissatisfied with the corporate world and resentful of having to wear suits everyday, he pivoted to writing about cars. Since then, that man has become an ardent supporter of the right-to-repair movement, been interviewed on the auto industry by national radio broadcasts, driven more rental cars than anyone ever should, participated in amateur rallying events, and received the requisite minimum training as sanctioned by the SCCA. Handy with a wrench, Matt grew up surrounded by Detroit auto workers and managed to get a pizza delivery job before he was legally eligible. He later found himself driving box trucks through Manhattan, guaranteeing future sympathy for actual truckers. He continues to conduct research pertaining to the automotive sector as an independent contractor and has since moved back to his native Michigan, closer to where the cars are born. A contrarian, Matt claims to prefer understeer — stating that front and all-wheel drive vehicles cater best to his driving style.

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  • Jeff Semenak Jeff Semenak on Apr 03, 2021

    I live in Tempe and work in Chandler. Compared to the Thousands of folks on their phones and, Thousands who can't turn their Headlights on at night; Waymo is not a risk. Good point about Waymo following the rules of the road. Many here look at them as mild suggestions, at best.

  • Polka King Polka King on Apr 04, 2021

    I see the postal service and UPS deploying self-drivers with trebuchets on their rooves to launch the packages onto people's porches.

    • ToolGuy ToolGuy on Apr 04, 2021

      Hereafter to be referred to as the "last 0.01 mile problem."

  • Bd2 Lexus is just a higher trim package Toyota. ^^
  • Tassos ONLY consider CIvics or Corollas, in their segment. NO DAMNED Hyundais, Kias, Nissans or esp Mitsus. Not even a Pretend-BMW Mazda. They may look cute but they SUCK.I always recommend Corollas to friends of mine who are not auto enthusiasts, even tho I never owed one, and owned a Civic Hatch 5 speed 1992 for 25 years. MANY follow my advice and are VERY happy. ALmost all are women.friends who believe they are auto enthusiasts would not listen to me anyway, and would never buy a Toyota. They are damned fools, on both counts.
  • Tassos since Oct 2016 I drive a 2007 E320 Bluetec and since April 2017 also a 2008 E320 Bluetec.Now I am in my summer palace deep in the Eurozone until end October and drive the 2008.Changing the considerable oils (10 quarts synthetic) twice cost me 80 and 70 euros. Same changes in the US on the 2007 cost me $219 at the dealers and $120 at Firestone.Changing the air filter cost 30 Euros, with labor, and there are two such filters (engine and cabin), and changing the fuel filter only 50 euros, while in the US they asked for... $400. You can safely bet I declined and told them what to do with their gold-plated filter. And when I changed it in Europe, I looked at the old one and it was clean as a whistle.A set of Continentals tires, installed etc, 300 EurosI can't remember anything else for the 2008. For the 2007, a brand new set of manual rec'd tires at Discount Tire with free rotations for life used up the $500 allowance the dealer gave me when I bought it (tires only had 5000 miles left on them then)So, as you can see, I spent less than even if I owned a Lexus instead, and probably less than all these poor devils here that brag about their alleged low cost Datsun-Mitsus and Hyundai-Kias.And that's THETRUTHABOUTCARS. My Cars,
  • NJRide These are the Q1 Luxury division salesAudi 44,226Acura 30,373BMW 84,475Genesis 14,777Mercedes 66,000Lexus 78,471Infiniti 13,904Volvo 30,000*Tesla (maybe not luxury but relevant): 125,000?Lincoln 24,894Cadillac 35,451So Cadillac is now stuck as a second-tier player with names like Volvo. Even German 3rd wheel Audi is outselling them. Where to gain sales?Surprisingly a decline of Tesla could boost Cadillac EVs. Tesla sort of is now in the old Buick-Mercury upper middle of the market. If lets say the market stays the same, but another 15-20% leave Tesla I could see some going for a Caddy EV or hybrid, but is the division ready to meet them?In terms of the mainstream luxury brands, Lexus is probably a better benchmark than BMW. Lexus is basically doing a modern interpretation of what Cadillac/upscale Olds/Buick used to completely dominate. But Lexus' only downfall is the lack of emotion, something Cadillac at least used to be good at. The Escalade still has far more styling and brand ID than most of Lexus. So match Lexus' quality but out-do them on comfort and styling. Yes a lot of Lexus buyers may be Toyota or import loyal but there are a lot who are former GM buyers who would "come home" for a better product.In fact, that by and large is the Big 3's problem. In the 80s and 90s they would try to win back "import intenders" and this at least slowed the market share erosion. I feel like around 2000 they gave this up and resorted to a ton of gimmicks before the bankruptcies. So they have dropped from 66% to 37% of the market in a quarter century. Sure they have scaled down their presence and for the last 14 years preserved profit. But in the largest, most prosperous market in the world they are not leading. I mean who would think the Koreans could take almost 10% of the market? But they did because they built and structured products people wanted. (I also think the excess reliance on overseas assembly by the Big 3 hurts them vs more import brands building in US). But the domestics should really be at 60% of their home market and the fact that they are not speaks volumes. Cadillac should not be losing 2-1 to Lexus and BMW.
  • Tassos Not my favorite Eldorados. Too much cowbell (fins), the gauges look poor for such an expensive car, the interior has too many shiny bits but does not scream "flagship luxury", and the white on red leather or whatever is rather loud for this car, while it might work in a Corvette. But do not despair, a couple more years and the exterior designs (at least) will sober up, the cowbells will be more discreet and the long, low and wide 60s designs are not far away. If only the interiors would be fit for the price point, and especially a few acres of real wood that also looked real.
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