QOTD: Is The V12 Really Dead?

Derek Kreindler
by Derek Kreindler

“The V12 engine is a thing of the past. The engine belongs in a museum.”

Those are the words of Antony Sheriff, managing director of McLaren, who spoke to a Dutch publication regarding the future of its supercars. The new Mclaren MP4-12C, with its compact, turbocharged V8, is an impressive machine, but Sheriff may be exaggerating the demise of exotic, multi-cylindered engines.

In a sense, Sheriff is right; the glory days of the V12 are over. There will likely never again be an era where a V12 is casually stuck under the hood of, say, a Jaguar XJ. If anything, we are in a period of downsizing where something with half the number of cylinders is the more likely option.

That’s not to say that the V12 will go the way of the straight-8 or other obscure, exotic engines; it’s far too entrenched in the landscape of the automotive world to ever fade away. Can you really imagine something like a Pagani or a front-engined Ferrari without a V12?

In the 1970’s, the “quartz revolution” came and nearly wiped out mechanical watches. These little circuit-board time pieces were cheaper, more accurate, never needed cleaning or servicing. In every objective sense, they were superior. A mechanical movement was thought to be an arcane bit of craftsmanship destined for the dustbin of human achievement. Yet they endured, carrying on slowly, to the point where a few decades later, a fairly small but dedicated market is thriving for them, in high-end timepieces that most people give zero consideration to, whether they cost $100 or $100,000.

I think this is what will ultimately happen to the V10s, V12s and perhaps, even V8s. Most people will have no use for them. They will be regarded as symbols of profligacy and frivolity. But they will endure and be cherished by a select few.

It’s either that or a hologram…


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  • The Veyron needs a W16 to produce enough power to maintain speeds above 250mph. The V12 is in cars that do ridiculous speeds roughly 99.9999% of us will never do in a car. The V10 and V12 shouldn't exist beyond the exotic car market and the V8 is quickly being phased out of the luxury car market. Either of these engines is fine for trucks though, but Ford's proved you don't need anything larger than a v8 unless it's a diesel.

  • Panzerfaust Panzerfaust on Aug 08, 2012

    All the more reason to have one. The trend toward turbo/supercharged four and six cylinders or smaller is hardly parallel to the mechanical/quartz or digital watch comparison. We've had trends like this before, and when a manufacturer needs to set itself apart or compete with another the number of cylinders will increase once more.

    • Raph Raph on Aug 09, 2012

      Ohhh... Bob Lutz you crafty bastard posting under the nom de plume panzerfaust! Seriously though, panzer you have a point, I can remember my old shop teacher proselytizing over 1.6 liter turbo I4s relegating V8s to the trash bin of history. Then again so did everybody else come to think of it ( back in the 80s) and here we are with 660 horsepower Mustangs and 580 horsepower Camaros that the average guy can buy even in the age of gasoline that dangerously fiddles with five bucks a gallon when our commodity trader overseers feel their wallets lighten the smallest bit,

  • 3SpeedAutomatic I just road in a rental Malibu this past week. Interior was a bit plasticity, but, well built.Only issue was how “low” the seat was in relation to the ground. I had to crawl “down” into the seat. Also, windscreen was at 65 degree angle which invited multiple reflections. Just to hack off the EPA, how about a boxy design like Hyundai is doing with some of its SUVs. 🚙 Raise the seat one or two inches and raise the roof line accordingly. Would be a hit with the Uber and Lyft crowd as well as some taxi service.🚗 🚗🚗
  • Dartdude Having the queen of nothing as the head of Dodge is a recipe for disaster. She hasn't done anything with Chrysler for 4 years, May as well fold up Chrysler and Dodge.
  • Pau65792686 I think there is a need for more sedans. Some people would rather drive a car over SUV’s or CUV’s. If Honda and Toyota can do it why not American brands. We need more affordable sedans.
  • Tassos Obsolete relic is NOT a used car.It might have attracted some buyers in ITS DAY, 1985, 40 years ago, but NOT today, unless you are a damned fool.
  • Stan Reither Jr. Part throttle efficiency was mentioned earlier in a postThis type of reciprocating engine opens the door to achieve(slightly) variable stroke which would provide variable mechanical compression ratio adjustments for high vacuum (light load) or boost(power) conditions IMO
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