BMW's I4: A Potential Tesla Beater for the Go-fast Green Crowd

@stingray65" 0 to 60 in under 2 seconds has already been done. The Rimac Concept 2 does it in 1.85 seconds. It has 1,914 hp. 2,300 Nm torque. 4 motors. Porsche recently bought 10% of the company, so we might see some of the technology trickle down to Porsches. http://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/hypercars/c_two

Yeah, skipping over the positive attributes and inserting your own made up facts and suppositions would certainly paint that picture.

@JohnTaurus BMW's i8 sells for ~$150k today, at 50 copies per month. What evidence do you have that a 100 kWh+ BMW that is faster will sell in higher volume and for anything less? I'll give you this: Even if this mythical creature achieves 80% of the WLTP drive cycle under EPA rules (which TTAC always quotes for "Tesla-beaters", rather than the more realistic EPA drive cycle), it actually will be a Tesla-beater with a 348-mile range. But as I recall, your version of a Tesla beating mfr is one who can *produce* cars, not necessarily sell them. So, do you really think BMW is going to produce more of these things than any other Tesla?

@ScetoAux: The last I heard, the Taycan production will only be 20,000 per year. The competing Model 3 Performance is based on a car that is averaging almost 18,000 cars per month. I really like the Taycan and will eventually buy one, but I'm thinking about TM3P in the interim since it only takes 2 months to get one at this point.

@SCE to AUX "What evidence do you have that a 100 kWh+ BMW that is faster will sell in higher volume and for anything less?" You really think they'd slot something called "i4" above the "i8"? I doubt they'll out produce Tesla, but I expect this BMW will be in the low-end Model S price range.

SCE to AUX what he actually meant was Tesla killer. Tesla killer is the same thing as iPhone killer. iPhone killer was a hypothetical phone that would make iPhone obsolete and dead. The main argument was that company X (X = Nokia, Motorola, Sony-Ericsson, Samsung, Toshiba etc.) knows how to make phones and did it for decades while Apple has no experience in building phones, so it is just a matter of time... therefore iPhone deathwatch.

@Inside Looking Out Yes, although interestingly Android phones outsell Apple phones by 2:1. I'm not saying BMW is incapable of building a better EV than Tesla, but I'm questioning the metric for the term "Tesla beater" or "Tesla killer". Because at the moment, Tesla owns nearly the entire envelope for volume, performance, pricing, and availability.

@mcs: You're having an interesting evolution on your next EV purchase. That Taycan volume is disappointing, but not surprising. My guess is that Porsche is going to lose a lot of money on the car, but wants to test the waters with a competitive price and product. The projected range and performance are for a vehicle that should cost 25-50% more. If they follow Tesla's path, they'll discover how expensive it is to go all in on their EV promises. In the US, Tesla already outsells Porsche, so they have a lot of ground to make up. I hope you can finally get the Taycan. It looks great and has nice specs.

@SCE to AUX But a sizable chunk of those Android phones are third world feature phones. GM outsold everyone in the 80s too. But a lot of those sales were to people who couldn't afford nicer and haven't bought GM since because of it. Not saying that is what is happening here but there is more to the phone debate than market share. I use an Android phone. But I spend no more than 400 bucks and keep it a year and a half to two years tops. A true flagship (800 and up) would require me to keep it longer. If I we're doing that, no comparison...iPhone. I believe the 5s is still updated and that's what...a 2014 model. Meanwhile my Xperia eagerly awaiting Nougat...