Where Is Hyundai's Genesis Brand Getting Its Buyers From? Genesis' Spiritual Predecessor

Timothy Cain
by Timothy Cain

Genesis Motors is soon to complete its first year on the U.S. market.

Through the first ten months of its run as Hyundai’s luxury spin-off, 15,254 copies of the Genesis G80 and Genesis G90 have been sold. That’s 15,254 buyers who all moved over from other auto brands. There was no other way — no repeat business, no C-Class to E-Class to S-Class-style chain reaction.

More of those buyers moved over from the Hyundai brand than anywhere else. That makes sense. The Genesis G80 is essentially a second-generation Hyundai Genesis sedan. The Genesis G90 is a second-generation replacement for the Hyundai Equus. Hyundai buyers are trading in and trading up.

But when it comes to earning conquests from luxury rivals, Genesis Motors does so most often at the expense of Genesis’ forerunner, the last brand to do what Genesis wants to do.

Lexus.

30 percent of Genesis G80 and G90 conquests come from the Lexus brand, according to Wards Auto. That’s double the number Genesis has grabbed from BMW, the next-most-often conquested brand, and nearly triple the number of conquests Genesis has gleaned from Cadillac and Mercedes-Benz.

“We don’t think that people are going to turn the switch and suddenly forget about other brands and flock to us,” Genesis Motors general manager Erwin Raphael told Wards. But if Genesis can attract the attention of buyers, “a decent percentage of them will choose us and that will be enough for us to be very successful,” Raphael says.

Success, by Genesis’ measurement, isn’t the same as success for Lexus or Mercedes-Benz or BMW. Even if the forthcoming G70 sedan doubles the brand’s volume, Genesis will still be selling only 40,000 cars per year in the United States.

Mercedes-Benz USA sells nearly 27,000 cars and SUVs per month.

No, building a luxury brand from scratch will take time. Indeed, it will take more time than it ought to because Genesis is way behind the SUV/crossover trend. Based on this year’s New York International Auto Show GV80 concept, Genesis’ first production utility vehicle is still two years away.

For the time being, Genesis is fighting for a small slice of an increasingly small pie. Overall premium brand car sales are down 4 percent this year.

Acura, Audi, Cadillac, Infiniti, Jaguar Land Rover, Lincoln, Porsche, Volvo, and indeed Lexus all sell more SUVs/crossovers than cars. U.S. sales of premium brand SUVs/crossovers are up 6 percent in early 2017, claiming 57 percent of the overall premium market, up from 54 percent in the first five months of 2016.

Yet it is in that shrinking car sector where Genesis intends to initially make a name for itself, operating out of tailored corners of Hyundai showrooms. Perhaps too many Hyundai showrooms.

Incidentally, coinciding with Genesis Motors’ theft of sales from luxury brand rivals is a 29-percent decline in sales of Lexus passenger cars. No premium brand is losing car sales faster this year.

Timothy Cain is a contributing analyst at The Truth About Cars and Autofocus.ca and the founder and former editor of GoodCarBadCar.net. Follow on Twitter @timcaincars.

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  • Tekdemon Tekdemon on Jun 09, 2017

    lol, so they've sold 15,000 over ten months...of which the majority were sold to Hyundai buyers to begin with. Then of the minority sold to actual conquests, 30% of that number was to Lexus buyers. After all these divisions and subtractions I get the feeling that less than one person per major metro actually becomes a conquest sale each month, lol.

    • Bd2 Bd2 on Jun 10, 2017

      Except, most of those "Hyundai" buyers being owners of the Genesis and Equus - who were already "conquest" buyers. Sure, there are some owners of loaded Sonatas or Azera who have climbed the income ladder and are ready for a nicer vehicle, but that's no different from Camry or Avalon owners moving up to Lexus. YTD, the G80 and G90 are doing almost double in sales what the GS and LS are doing. Those former Lexus buyers went somewhere.

  • Reino Reino on Aug 04, 2017

    It's very obvious why Genesis is converting Lexus buyers. Look at the top photo of that elegant, stately executive saloon. Now look at a current Lexus. The Genesis is the modern evolution of the original LS400 in more ways than a new LS.

  • Bouzouki Cadillac (aka GM!!) made so many mistakes over the past 40 years, right up to today, one could make a MBA course of it. Others have alluded to them, there is not enough room for me to recite them in a flowing, cohesive manner.Cadillac today is literally a tarted-up Chevrolet. They are nice cars, and the "aura" of the Cadillac name still works on several (mostly female) consumers who are not car enthusiasts.The CT4 and CT5 offer superlative ride and handling, and even performance--but, it is wrapped in sheet metal that (at least I think) looks awful, with (still) sub-par interiors. They are niche cars. They are the last gasp of the Alpha platform--which I have been told by people close to it, was meant to be a Pontiac "BMW 3-series". The bankruptcy killed Pontiac, but the Alpha had been mostly engineered, so it was "Cadillac-ized" with the new "edgy" CTS styling.Most Cadillacs sold are crossovers. The most profitable "Cadillac" is the Escalade (note that GM never jack up the name on THAT!).The question posed here is rather irrelevant. NO ONE has "a blank check", because GM (any company or corporation) does not have bottomless resources.Better styling, and superlative "performance" (by that, I mean being among the best in noise, harshness, handling, performance, reliablity, quality) would cost a lot of money.Post-bankruptcy GM actually tried. No one here mentioned GM's effort to do just that: the "Omega" platform, aka CT6.The (horribly misnamed) CT6 was actually a credible Mercedes/Lexus competitor. I'm sure it cost GM a fortune to develop (the platform was unique, not shared with any other car. The top-of-the-line ORIGINAL Blackwing V8 was also unique, expensive, and ultimately...very few were sold. All of this is a LOT of money).I used to know the sales numbers, and my sense was the CT6 sold about HALF the units GM projected. More importantly, it sold about half to two thirds the volume of the S-Class (which cost a lot more in 201x)Many of your fixed cost are predicated on volume. One way to improve your business case (if the right people want to get the Green Light) is to inflate your projected volumes. This lowers the unit cost for seats, mufflers, control arms, etc, and makes the vehicle more profitable--on paper.Suppliers tool up to make the number of parts the carmaker projects. However, if the volume is less than expected, the automaker has to make up the difference.So, unfortunately, not only was the CT6 an expensive car to build, but Cadillac's weak "brand equity" limited how much GM could charge (and these were still pricey cars in 2016-18, a "base" car was ).Other than the name, the "Omega" could have marked the starting point for Cadillac to once again be the standard of the world. Other than the awful name (Fleetwood, Elegante, Paramount, even ParAMOUR would be better), and offering the basest car with a FOUR cylinder turbo on the base car (incredibly moronic!), it was very good car and a CREDIBLE Mercedes S-Class/Lexus LS400 alternative. While I cannot know if the novel aluminum body was worth the cost (very expensive and complex to build), the bragging rights were legit--a LARGE car that was lighter, but had good body rigidity. No surprise, the interior was not the best, but the gap with the big boys was as close as GM has done in the luxury sphere.Mary Barra decided that profits today and tomorrow were more important than gambling on profits in 2025 and later. Having sunk a TON of money, and even done a mid-cycle enhancement, complete with the new Blackwing engine (which copied BMW with the twin turbos nestled in the "V"!), in fall 2018 GM announced it was discontinuing the car, and closing the assembly plant it was built in. (And so you know, building different platforms on the same line is very challenging and considerably less efficient in terms of capital and labor costs than the same platform, or better yet, the same model).So now, GM is anticipating that, as the car market "goes electric" (if you can call it that--more like the Federal Government and EU and even China PUSHING electric cars), they can make electric Cadillacs that are "prestige". The Cadillac Celestique is the opening salvo--$340,000. We will see how it works out.
  • Lynn Joiner Lynn JoinerJust put 2,000 miles on a Chevy Malibu rental from Budget, touring around AZ, UT, CO for a month. Ran fine, no problems at all, little 1.7L 4-cylinder just sipped fuel, and the trunk held our large suitcases easily. Yeah, I hated looking up at all the huge FWD trucks blowing by, but the Malibu easily kept up on the 80 mph Interstate in Utah. I expect a new one would be about a third the cost of the big guys. It won't tow your horse trailer, but it'll get you to the store. Why kill it?
  • Lynn Joiner Just put 2,000 miles on a Chevy Malibu rental from Budget, touring around AZ, UT, CO for a month. Ran fine, no problems at all, little 1.7L 4-cylinder just sipped fuel, and the trunk held our large suitcases easily. Yeah, I hated looking up at all the huge FWD trucks blowing by, but the Malibu easily kept up on the 80 mph Interstate in Utah. I expect a new one would be about a third the cost of the big guys. It won't tow your horse trailer, but it'll get you to the store. Why kill it?
  • Ollicat I am only speaking from my own perspective so no need to bash me if you disagree. I already know half or more of you will disagree with me. But I think the traditional upscale Cadillac buyer has traditionally been more conservative in their political position. My suggestion is to make Cadillac separate from GM and make them into a COMPANY, not just cars. And made the company different from all other car companies by promoting conservative causes and messaging. They need to build up a whole aura about the company and appeal to a large group of people that are really kind of sick of the left and sending their money that direction. But yes, I also agree about many of your suggestions above about the cars too. No EVs. But at this point, what has Cadillac got to lose by separating from GM completely and appealing to people with money who want to show everyone that they aren't buying the leftist Kook-Aid.
  • Jkross22 Cadillac's brand is damaged for the mass market. Why would someone pay top dollar for what they know is a tarted up Chevy? That's how non-car people see this.
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