Piston Slap: The Young Lady and the Key

Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang
by Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang

Hi Steve and Sajeev:

My daughter has been driving the Saturn Astra recommended by Steve for a few months now and we can all say that it is a nice car — screwed together well, efficient and kinda sporty. I consider it to be a win. Except for a minor key issue.

The original owner had a remote start installed (nice). I have one in my Chrysler T&C and that vehicle does not require a key to be hidden in the car; the Saturn does (a GM thing, I hear). So, they buried the other ignition key inside the steering column box.

Thing is, though, is that they never got another key, so there is only one. Not smart, IMO. So, rather than drive 20 miles to the nearest GM dealer to buy an overpriced key, I ordered an OEM one from Fob Keyless, and they even cut it. The key arrived and it unlocked to door and turned in the ignition fine, but it did not start the car — it needed to be programmed.

Here is the rub. This car does not follow the typical GM procedure for key programming than most of their other cars. I am told I have to bring it to the dealer and that I will have to present all of the keys — so that means I have to fish out the key that is buried in the dash. My question for you is this: is that correct? Is there a workaround that you know of? Thanks again, and keep up the good work.

Sajeev Says:

A workaround for German car electrics? Surely you jest, my good man!

This website gives a quick yet comprehensive explanation of why that’ll never work. Bite the bullet, get it programmed properly either by a respected locksmith or the dealership. But either way, a trip to a GM dealership is in order. Perhaps a phone call to make sure they can do it…might need to make multiple calls. Maybe start with a Cadillac dealer, you know, for the best customer service and knowledge of German-ish General Motors Iron.

And since you emailed Steve on a Piston Slap related topic, let’s see what insights The Man has to offer.


Steve Says:

Let me tell you a little story about an old friend and his Mercedes.

Once upon a time I knew a fellow who would buy and sell cars on the side while managing an auto repair shop. Well, one evening he decides to buy a late-80’s Mercedes E-Class at a public auction for a decent price. He gets one key for it.

Only one key. The next day he goes to pick up the vehicle. Dead battery. As soon as they put a jumper on the car the alarm blares, “BWAH!!! BWAH!!!” He tries to start it up with the key. Nothing. Not even a click. Meanwhile the alarm system is blaring like Andy Kaufman at a professional wrestling match. After 20 minutes of fiddling around he has it towed to his shop and directs one of his techs to circumvent the alarm system.

A few too many wires were cut. So for the next three months, the vehicle becomes a statue at the front of his place. Eventually it is brought back to the auction where my friend receives an expensive lesson in cutting corners.

When it comes to the Saturn, your friend is 100% right. You can go to any GM dealer. But they will need all the keys to make it work. I would do that and perhaps get a second duplicate made so you never have to do it again.

Sometimes the cheap way out is a dead end. Just pay “the man”, and let your daughter enjoy one less stress in her ownership experience.

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  • Kitzler Kitzler on Jan 11, 2013

    grzydj, sorry I aroused such repressed anger in you, but whether buick does not immobilize its wheels or not is not moot, my neighbor's four wheels were frozen and the Buick could not be towed but had to be lifted on a Jerr-Dan truck bed.

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    • Corntrollio Corntrollio on Jan 11, 2013

      @grzydj It would be hilarious if that was what caused kitzler's complaint. But usually tow truck drivers will slim jim the car to release the parking brake in that situation.

  • None_given None_given on Jan 11, 2013

    Ok, please don't shout at me, because this may sound like blind optimism.. I don't know how the whole key in the steering binnacle thing works, but it sounds to the uneducated like the connection between the steering lock barrel and the ECU has been rerouted to that hidden key, as I cannot believe that the guy installing the remote start would set up a circuit that says: "if the remote starter is used, use the transponder in the hidden key, if a key is used for starting, use the transponder in the key in the barrel". Basically, try using the cut key, it may work without coding, because the transponder in the hidden key is being read whenever the car is started, even if you use a key to fire 'er up. I could be wrong :) Edit: Just read the comment above about the remote not working. It's 1AM over here, had a couple of beers...

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    • None_given None_given on Jan 12, 2013

      @MRL325i Ach, worth a try :) Sounds like the installer put in a relay to switch over the transponder circuit to the hidden key when the remote start is activated, and didn't just brutally hack apart the loom. I expected the second option, having seen quite a few crappy alarm installations in second-hand cars down the years.

  • Bob Funny how Oldsmobile was offering a GPS system to help if you were lost, yet GM as a company was very lost. Not really sure that they are not still lost. They make hideous looking trucks, Cadillac is a crappy Chevy pretending to be fancy. To be honest, I would never step in a GM show room now or ever. Boring, cheap ugly and bad resale why bother. I get enough of GM when i rent on trips from airports. I have to say, does anybody at GM ever drive what everyone else drives? Do they ever then look at what crap they put out in style fit and finish? Come on, for real, do they? Cadillac updated slogan should be " sub standard of the 3rd world", or " almost as good as Tata motors". Enough said.
  • Sam Jacobs I want a sedan. When a buy a car or even rent one, I don’t want to ride up high. I don’t want a 5-door. I want a trunk to keep my stuff out of sight. It’s quieter, cars handle better, I don’t need to be at the same height as a truck. I have a 2022 Subaru Legacy Touring XT, best car ever, equipped as a luxury sedan, so quick and quiet. I don’t understand automakers’ decisions to take away sedans or simply stop updating them — giving up the competition. The Camry and Accord should not be our only choices. Impala and Fusion were beautiful when they were axed.
  • Spamvw I think you need to remember WHY the big 2 and 1/2 got out of the car business. Without going political, the CAFE standards signed into law meant unless you had a higher gas mileage fleet, you couldn't meet the standards.The Irony is that, the law made sedans so small with low roof lines, that normal people migrated to SUV's and Trucks. Now we get worse mileage than before.
  • TheEndlessEnigma Somehow, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia and Mazda are able to build sedans in North America AND turn a profit on those sedans at the same time.
  • Tane94 There definitely is demand for sedans and history will condemn Ford, GM and Stellantis for abandoning the segment. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis and Honda, Toyota, Nissan continue to invest in their sedans and redesign the models.
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