Jeep Grand Wagoneer: Bigger, Longer, Tougher… Hellcat-powered?

Steph Willems
by Steph Willems

The shadowy future Jeep model that probably should have been in production by now continues to entice fans of the original Grand Wagoneer. It’s expected that the largest of all Jeeps will arrive not too imminently, using the 2019 Ram 1500’s frame as a backbone.

There’ll be size and luxury in spades (the thing might top out above $100k), but until now we hadn’t heard anything about power. It’s now possible that we’ll see a Trackhawk variant that uses the upgraded 6.2-liter supercharged V8 found in Dodge’s refreshed 2019 Challenger Hellcat. Possible, but perhaps not probable.

According to an internal document uncovered by Bozi Tatarevic and published in Road & Track, powertrain component supplier ZF lists a beefed-up eight-speed transmission bound for the Jeep Grand Wagoneer Trackhawk. The doc shows Fiat Chrysler refers to the model’s platform as “WS.”

ZF identifies the model’s transmission as a ZF-8HP95X, a version of the existing 8HP “Torqueflight” family that’s been upgraded to handle more torque. The existing Dodge Challenger and Charger Hellcats use the 8HP90. The Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk uses the 8HP95.

Interestingly, the ZF document dates to the spring of 2017, revealing that either FCA has had this idea almost from the get-go, or it’s an idea that’s come and gone. An FCA spokesman denies knowledge of such an impending vehicle.

If it’s legit, how much power can we expect from this largest of Trackhawks? According to ZF, roughly 718 horsepower. That’s pretty much the same as the 717 hp generated by the 2019 Challenger Hellcat, so we can assume a torque figure similar to that coupe’s 656 lb-ft. (It doesn’t look like the 2019 Challenger Hellcat Redeye’s 797 hp 6.2L HEMI is destined for any other vehicle.)

The development of the Wagoneer and high-zoot Grand Wagoneer hasn’t been a swift affair. Initially targeted for a 2018 launch, the models’ path to production has been a winding one. Originally said to be a lengthened version of the next-generation Grand Cherokee, CEO Sergio Marchionne said last year that the twin utilities would boast body-on-frame construction. That means using the Ram 1500’s underpinnings. Of course, the next-gen 1500 is having its own troubles leaving the starting gate.

It now looks like the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer won’t appear until the 2021 model year, meaning the earliest we’d see them is sometime in 2020.

[Image: Fiat Chrysler Automobiles]

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  • Paul Paul on Jul 17, 2018

    I have 2007 & 2008 grands. I love everything about them. Both gave been reliable. I am hearing many bad reliability problems with grands produced after 2012. TCM, shifter, recalls like mad. Do I want to revive a 2011 or earlier? The high prices FCA wants for grands and expected more $$ for a Wagoneer rich mans off road suburban 4x4 Out of site for a medium wage family. Dream machines that will keep you in the auto garage. Oh, but it looks cool and goes off road! They need to fix the reliability and actually warranty DEFECTS.

  • Art Vandelay Art Vandelay on Jul 17, 2018

    cynical crap

  • Plaincraig 1975 Mercury Cougar with the 460 four barrel. My dad bought it new and removed all the pollution control stuff and did a lot of upgrades to the engine (450hp). I got to use it from 1986 to 1991 when I got my Eclipse GSX. The payments and insurance for a 3000GT were going to be too much. No tickets no accidents so far in my many years and miles.My sister learned on a 76 LTD with the 350 two barrel then a Ford Escort but she has tickets (speeding but she has contacts so they get dismissed or fine and no points) and accidents (none her fault)
  • Namesakeone If I were the parent of a teenage daughter, I would want her in an H1 Hummer. It would be big enough to protect her in a crash, too big for her to afford the fuel (and thus keep her home), big enough to intimidate her in a parallel-parking situation (and thus keep her home), and the transmission tunnel would prevent backseat sex.If I were the parent of a teenage son, I would want him to have, for his first wheeled transportation...a ride-on lawnmower. For obvious reasons.
  • ToolGuy If I were a teen under the tutelage of one of the B&B, I think it would make perfect sense to jump straight into one of those "forever cars"... see then I could drive it forever and not have to worry about ever replacing it. This plan seems flawless, doesn't it?
  • Rover Sig A short cab pickup truck, F150 or C/K-1500 or Ram, preferably a 6 cyl. These have no room for more than one or two passengers (USAA stats show biggest factor in teenage accidents is a vehicle full of kids) and no back seat (common sense tells you what back seats are used for). In a full-size pickup truck, the inevitable teenage accident is more survivable. Second choice would be an old full-size car, but these have all but disappeared from the used car lots. The "cute small car" is a death trap.
  • W Conrad Sure every technology has some environmental impact, but those stuck in fossil fuel land are just not seeing the future of EV's makes sense. Rather than making EV's even better, these automakers are sticking with what they know. It will mean their end.
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